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Rebate Processing Refunds
Angela Penbrook and myrebateprocessor.com Refunds
A number of our readers have successfully received refunds from one of the worst scams we’ve ever seen. Angela Penbrook is running a rebate processing scam that costs $197. One hundred and ninety seven dollars! For complete crap! If you’ve fallen victim to this scam, follow these stories below in order to get your money back.
Numbers to Call
1-866-885-8126
1-888-514-6001
1-800-875-8042 (Warning: possible sex chat line at times!)
Success Stories
From April:
First I called every one of her 1-800 numbers (and if someone needs one just shout out to me. ) I think the Bimbo has 3 numbers. I called all different times of the day and always got that annoying voice then that annoying music, then I just constantly pressed the “0” until I was connected. Then i spoke to 3 different people who were not nice at all and i composed myself very will because they had the upper hand, all of the 3 people took my name, e-mail address, and last four digits of my card that i put it on and my zip code. They all gave me the same confirmation number. A little funny to me so I kept calling and calling back 3 or 4 times until i got them disgusted. For the first few days i would get funny e-mails like we need your info again and i would keep calling back and keep getting the same confirmation number. Then i finally got a confirmation that i would get my refund in 5 to 7 days and i waited 6 and checked my account and my refund went through. I also recieved a confirmation e-mail from her that i was refunded.
From Patricia:
Today i called 1-866-885-8126 or 1-800-875-8042 and pressed “0″ as soon as I heard the Angela Penbrook greeting and in seconds I got a live person. His name was David Peterson. I told him I wanted a complete refund of my $197 and he asked me my E-mail address and name and what zip code I was from. He then told me that i was going to get a complete refund and gave me a autorization code number for it. Then I called back 2 minutes later and spoke to a woman named Rachel who did the same thing and also gave me the same authorization refund code as the previous Mr. David Peterson. I asked for their address and he told me that he couldn’t give me that information but he was in Urban California. I tried calling the Better Business Bureau and they dont do much but throw you on hold forever. I called my credit card company and I was told that the charge is pending and sometimes they know that you caught on to them and the charge gets dropped off as if you didn’t even make the transaction.
From David:
I called the 866 # just like Patricia did.I don’t remember the girl’s name I spoke with,but she was foreign and spoke english,albeit not clearly.She asked for my name,ph#,and zipcode.I complied and she said that the refund should show up in 4-7 business days on my CC.Unlike Patricia,I wasn’t issued a confirmation #,nor did they ask for the last 4 digits of my CC.I have already spoken with my CC company and forewarned them that I will be asking for a dispute or backcharge on this if they fail to issue my refund as promised.If you dial 800-785-8042,it takes you to the same place as the 866# that Patricia gave out.I’ll be checking my CC online starting this evening.
From Joyce:
Hi again to all, Joyce here again with a big smile because after jumping through many hoops, my credit card company notified me today they are giving me what they call a “conditional refund” of my money. Let me fill you in if it will help others. I sent all the info from the purchase of Angela Penbrook’s program to my credit card co. along with filling out an online dispute of the $197 charge. They emailed me about two weeks later, and asked for a complete and detailed letter about the situation, and also any proof from emails, correspondence, etc. and I was to forward all that to another address, different then the one on their website.
So I typed out a two page letter, along with copies of the email, a copy of the portion of her webpage which shows the 90 day guarantee, explained what the work was supposed to be in detail, etc. I never said “scam”. Kept everything very business like and explained that I could not do this work due to other obligations to my family, and since I have a 90 day guarantee, I should be entitled to my funds back. Mailed it off about 10 days ago, and today got the letter from my credit card company, with another page consisting of 3 questions to answer. 1. Exact date of cancellation of the order. 2. Why was order cancelled? 3. What was the merchant’s response when you attempted to resolve your dispute? (easy one, huh) Must sign and return within 10 days and they are “continuing to investigate this matter on my behalf”. So,to all out there please stick to your guns with the credit card companies, do whatever they want you to do,and whatever info you send, make sure you sign it, your own handwritten signature makes it legal. I checked my account on line just before coming here and I can tell you that the minus in front of the – 197.00 looks pretty good!!!!! Hopefully nothing will change. Must get the paper in the mail tomorrow with the info that the credit card company wants.
Hope everyone that has written to this webpage gets their reimbursement too. Thanks so much for all the honest hearted people who are out their pulling for everyone else.!!!
Getting a refund through eSellerate
Several scammers are running their operations through eSellerate. Including, Cindy Dalton at rebateprocessorjobs.com and Angel Stevens at processathome.com. I’ve heard that they can be difficult in refunding money, but be persistent! The rebate processing scam we bought into was through eSellerate and we still haven’t received our refund yet. But don’t lose hope and try the following advice:
I fell into the same trap and have been writing twice a day to the support site trying to get a refund. So today I thought i’d write an email to their payment gateway provider esellerate. They process the crdit card payments. I just described what had happened and within 3 hours I received an email stating that a refund had been made. Their details are:
http://www.esellerate.net
Phone: (402) 323-6600
e-mail: support@esellerate.net
Update: I was able to successfully receive my money back from eSellerate after following the above advice!
Data Entry Refunds
DataEntryBusiness.com Refunds
From Claudette:
I have finally gotten a refund of my $49.95. from Dataentrybusiness. Actually it took some doing: I found this website called eesellerate.net which is what was printed on my c/card account as having been creditted to from my accout and i checked it out online and found that all i had to do was punch in my emailaddress that i used to register with dataentrybusness and Essellerate would email me the account no. and the item no, of the registration transaction that i paid for. I immediately used that info i got from Essellerate and emailed dataentry business requesting my refund, and they immediately refunded my 49.95.
From Mitch:
If you havent already set up a paypal account – do so. That is how I paid for the DEB scammers membership (as Paypal is secure and you are insured)- but it doesnt matter how you paid.
You send a REQUEST FOR PAYMENT to : paypal@esellerate.net (as that was DEB paypal email account) the amount you want refunded and what I did was put in the ‘note’ box – THIRD AND FINAL WARNING. Failure to refund amount immediately will result a formal complaint to Consumer Affairs and Paypal.
Obviously Paypal knows these scammers – because I couldnt believe how fast my refund came through (I lodged it late last night and had it in my paypal account this morning) To those who dont have Paypal – you then transfer the money from your paypal account to your bank account.
HOPE THIS HELPS!
Mich (Australia)
Clickbank and ClickandBuy Refunds
I haven’t found any specific scams operating through Clickbank or ClickandBuy, but use the following forms in order to request a refund from either website.
Clickbank: Customer Service Form
ClickandBuy: Complaint Department Information
Community Project
The list is small as of now, but I plan to update it as frequently as new refund stories come in. If you have a story to contribute, please leave a comment below. We’re always looking for new stories.
For people that have been scammed by illegitimate business’ before.. You’ll get a call one day. They’ll ask if you’ve been scammed before and you’ll be asked some generic questions like for how much? What happened? How long ago was it? Different crap like that. Then they’ll give you a ‘security code.’ Basically they’ll want to know the last 4 of your social to set you up long term. With the last 4 of your social, they can verify the amount in your bank account when they get your card #. Then they’ll say that a consultant, or advocate.. or whatever will give you a call back and tell you how to get your money back. They’ll call you back and spout some information and the Federal Truth in Lending Act.. They always like to use laws that don’t even necessarily pertain to the issue at hand to give their schemes some legitimacy. They’ll say there’s 100% chance of you getting your money back as long as you follow the instructions. It’s false of course. They’ll force you to give them your credit card numbers ahead of time so that they can “search for the records of the transactions.” That’s false, of course. Even if the transactions only happened on one card, they’ll say that all the cards and all the banks are connected. They just want to know how much you have in your bank accounts before they hit you for the price. They say they’ll send something and have yet another person give you a call back.. “Todd Collins.” Then they’ll have you sign something by email. It says something like ‘a price deemed appropriate for services rendered.’ So if you don’t pay, they’ll threaten to have criminal charges filed… ‘theft of services.’ By law, it’s illegal to check funds in a customers account unless a transaction is taking place. Then Todd will give you a call and try to pry the money from you. If “Todd” is unsuccessful, then it’s the owners of the company that you’ll be talking to next.. It’s also illegal for them to ask for any money up front.. in fact, it’s illegal for them to ask for any money until 7 days after your money has been recovered. There’s a 0% chance you’ll recover anything at all if you follow their instructions. And with the false addresses, false names, false numbers… you’ll never hear from them again. Anyways.. if you’re someone who’s been scammed by this, here’s some people you might be interested in talking to.
Owners;
Richard Dean (goes by Mark Wright) (480) 371-4276
Deborah Kohlruson (Goes by Ann Scott) (480) 297-8490
Their maid Troi(female) (480) 628-0568
Receptionist (602) 663-0612
Personal Address: 14619 E. Desert Vista Trail, Scottsdale, AZ 85262
Business Address: 501 S. 48th St. Ste. 415, Tempe, AZ 85281
Website: consumerrecoveryassociates.com
Consumer Recovery Associates(CRA) is a business that has gone by many other names before. Consumer Justice, Business Justice Advocates.. different names like that. CRA is headed by a husband and wife team that met a while ago online and got married the first week they met. One is Richard. Richard has worked in the sales industry for quite some time with an impressive record he likes to boast about. The company Bank Card Empire will probably ring a bell. His best friend who got scammed by him for over $5,000 to start CRA will tell you about the time they got $80,000 out of an old lady.
Deborah was a teacher that took care of mentally disabled children. For some reason that she would never disclose to anyone, she was forced to retire permanently and never allowed to return to any school district.
Richard regularly partakes in the services of low class escorts.
They’re both morbidly obese.
They have a very nice but obese young boy they drag along everywhere. Poor kid doesn’t have any friends at all besides the 14 dogs they have in their disgusting house. He’s home schooled and every single day you can find him moping around their filthy office. They don’t ever clean, ever.. The poor kid regularly has candy for dinner. He hasn’t had anything to drink besides soda for years. Doesn’t wash his clothes. Doesn’t brush his hair.
They semi-regularly attend Phoenix First Assembly of God, and often pray with their victims. One of Deborahs regular lines is, “You have to walk in faith, one step at a time. When you sit in a chair, you have to have faith that it’ll hold you.”
They scam their own employees and intimidate them into getting a power of attorney so that they can hide what they’re doing. They use several different LLC’s and business accounts under the employees name just in case the bank at the time catches on and closes the account. They often write bad checks in the employees name and they ‘float’ payroll checks through check cashing locations and run up debt for the employee.
They use what’s called a voip(voice over internet protocol) service. It’s a internet phone service. Their numbers will show up from places like San Francisco, Hawaii, Nebraska, Carolina, but they’re all in the same building, based in Tempe, Arizona. They often give false business addresses like the county clerks office or the municipal court building. All employees are forced to give false names as well, under the guise that the banks don’t like them for helping people recover their money.
They hide under the front of a gaming design business and will say they do “business consulting and software design.”
They won’t answer your phone calls, but feel free to leave a message or to stop by ;)
I was scammed for $4895 by the coaching department. They were supposed to help me set up an online business. I signed up online, the very next day I sent my written cancellation via certified mail. The address is an abandoned building, I can’t get ahold of anyone. My bank was trying to dispute for me, but I signed an online contract so they say they cannot do anything more. I have not received products or services, has anyone heard of these guys? What can I do?
Still no response from More Milage Now. Gene Smith
Last Feb(2011) I fell for a scam called More Mileage Now. Isent in $97. , got a package of information, which included a telephone number, when I called the company I was connected with a person, who was to be my coach. He talked me intoputting up $3400, foe a TV ad, w2hich he assured me of getting more than enough orders to pay for the aid and make me a lot of money, They stalled more than a month, finally sent me a 20 second ad, which they claimed they ran in Floridia. Never got any response, have been trying to get some kind of refund, ever sinse. They are calling themselves More milage now I have had a lawer4 write a letter, complained to my credit card company, the Arizona governer, and the Better Business Breau, still no refund. Gene Smith, 810 Oak St. Scott, La. 70583
accurise is a scam alright! This is nothing but a telemarketing scam. The owner of accurise is just a thief and a scam artist who is taking advantage of people who need help. I can tell you from personal experience that accurise is a scam. I worked there. We were instructed by the owner to tell them that we were approved by the Department of Justice and that we were calling from a mortgage company called Cobalt. Accurise doesn’t even tell the people that they are signing up for credit repair. The clients are told that they are getting approved for a home loan. The owner of accurise is the worst kind of thief. He tells his employees to call people who have applied for loans with Lending Tree and tell them that accurise is an FHA program. It is a terrible place to work. I was only there for 3 weeks but it was enough. The owner of the company was like a scam artist crook from the movies. They treat the employees like slaves and pay them next to nothing and then threaten them all day long. We were told to lie. We were instructed to tell clients that the first step to getting them approved for a loan was “a free consultation,” but first they had to pay $59.95 for their credit report. Credit reports don’t cost anywhere near that and most people know that so we had to tell them that it was some kind of “special” credit report that only we could get. We were also instructed to tell them that there was some kind of guarantee to their services but, there really isn’t. The clients are told they are getting a “free consultation” worth $300. This is a joke. There is no consultation. The so called credit experts are just more telemarketers who know nothing about credit or anything else and whose only purpose is to trick the people into signing up for something they can do themselves. We were told to tell them that credit repair would only cost about $300-$500 and that was only if they needed it. They all needed it according to the so-called “credit specialists” (salesmen) and were charged much more. Clients are told that we have a 2 for 1 special but accurise just charges them twice as much. They are always changing the lies almost every day to stay ahead of the California Attorney General and the have meetings where the owner laughs about the Assistant CA Atty General and how they keep her happy with a bunch of lies and scams. They have sales meetings all the time which are really just sessions about changing the lies that the telemarketers can tell this week. I think most of the telemarketers who work there really think they are helping people. They are told that one day they will make decent money if they just keep selling more and more of these phony credit reports. They are victims also. They are abused intimidated and underpaid. Even the best salesmen are paid hardly enough to live while the owners are rich beyond imagination. They drive very expensive cars, wear Rolex watches and live in houses that look like castles but they are nothing more than common criminals preying on their employees and suckers.
It was a total scam. But figured I tried anyway since it has a 60 days 100% money back gurantee. Big mistake. I requested my refund in about a week. I sent email and also called with voice messages. No response from anyone other than an automatic email response that said my request has been received, will be getting a confirmation of the refund via email. After 2 weeks, nothing. But this is how they get you, time makes you forget!!! But I didn’t, so finally tried the PayPal Dispute and got my refund right away. They all scam on human weaknesses, TIME AND MEMORY. So, being human, we won’t listen till we try ourselves, but please only try on the ones that will say 100% satisfaction or money back.
I fell for a scam stupidly! The company is called Fastnet Learning. It was £2.05 to start up an online business and I was charged that, plus they took out an additional £55.33, which I have no idea what for. It turns out what I was paying for was a website where they claim they I have created a slimming advice book. It’s weird they put my name on the book, as soon as I saw that I knew it was bad news, but it was too late.
I have no idea how to get the website taken down, get refunded and stop them from taking money from me! Bah! Help!
I was sent this e-mail this weekend. I do work at home but I never use the email address this was sent to to do it-
Date: 31 – January – 2010
Dear Cathy Quigley,
We are happy to invite you to participate in our current survey in Robbinsdale.
International Money Transfer Company – Western Union International Inc. and
moneygram, are sponsoring and conducting a study of the quality of services
provided to its current and future clients. The objective is to improve the quality
of the services provided to customers in over 250,000 locations worldwide.
These two companies are company that have been providing value-oriented services
to their consumers, employees and the communities.
They are in the business of electronically sending money from one fixed location to another
business location, and most transactions are instant. This service is highly competitive, and
certain principles have to be maintained and improved to be among the best.
All prospective participants were randomly selected and your participation is not compulsory.
Your survey site will be at any MoneyGram and Western Union International outlets,
located at most WAL-Mart stores.
Your task is to act as a potential customer, conducting a transaction to a friend or family
member (details will be provided). During this process you will be observing the efficiency
of the service being offered at that location. We would like to hear your experience, and
your suggestions on how to improve services, if necessary.
This is a breakdown of the task and funds that will be sent to you, should you wish to
participate.
– Western Union Survey Amount: $1,490:00,
– Transfer Service Fee/Commissions: $75:00,
– Participants Survey paid Expense (For You) $200.59, Total: $1,765.59
Cathy, your entitled pay for each survey ranges from $199.01 – $210.89, and
there is no cost on your part.
You have a choice of carrying out 2 or 3 surveys weekly. Customer service evaluation forms
will be enclosed in your first assignment, we will expect you to fill the forms to the best of
your knowledge, which will depend and be determined by the service offered to you at any
of the survey locations.
To participate in this paid survey, kindly indicate interest by providing us with your full names
and a postal mailing address. Please send your details to the following email address:
(lightspeedsvy@interia.pl)
Any information you provide will be kept strictly conf’idential, and will never be disclosed
to anyone.
Sincerely,
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For: Lightspeed Consumer Services
P.S – Survey is only open to US, UK and Canadian residents.
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Thanks to sights like yours me thinks this is a scam!
I just heard of a new one to me, possibly you have heard of it. It’s called the Residual Income Club. You report 10 license plate numbers a month and they pay you fifty dollars! Then you join the program which is $100 unless you join now – it’s $75, plus something like $20/month. Ofcourse you recruit people to do the same and bdfore you know it you are receiving something like $3,000/month. So all you have to do is keep reporting 10 license plate numbers/month and recruit more suckers and you will be set for life. The name of the company they claim is Data Vehicle Management Recovery out of Dallas, TX. They say they have been in business for 4 years. I could not find a web site for them and the BBB has no record of them.
Report license plate numbers? What for? Just write down random numbers? Sounds totally bogus to me–that’s just to distract people from the pyramid and make it look like there’s a legitimate product or service going on.
Be weary of Electronic Cigarette ads. They tell you to just pay shipping for trial pack and take $99.10 from your account. Had to notify my bank and State Troopers, will get reimbursed from my back about sixty days.
I’m having a problem with IMC Entourage, too. Sorry I can’t help you guys.
My main problem is with Mr. Paul Darby, Unimax services. Anybody else have any problems with him?…or is he as ‘wonderful’ as he says he is?
Sorry on the above request: has anyone been able to get a refund from the US Online America Group (Stobel Marketing Group) after being scammed?
TO ALL THAT IS STILL TRYING TO GET YOUR MONEY FROM INTERNETPROFITHOUSE .CALL 888 299 7715 THEY WILL HAVE YOU ON HOLD FOR A LONG TIME BUT DO NOT GIVE UP WHEN THEY ANSWER THE CALL BE FIRM ABOUT THEM STEALING YOUR MONEY . MAKE SURE YOU CALL AND FILE A DISPUTE WITH YOUR BANK. LET INTERNETPROFIT KNOW YOU ARE HAVING YOUR BANK INVESTIGATE THIS. KEEP TELLING THEM YOULL POST ON INTERNET BLOGS ABOUT THIS SCAM. BE FIRM I DID THIS MONDAY THE 2ND. MY MONEY IS IN MY ACCT RIGHT THIS MINUTE. THESE PEOPLE ARE THIEVES.
I WAS SCAMED BY IMC I WENT TO PAY THEM $97 FOR A WEB SITE
BUT AFTER I GAVE THEM MY BANKING INFO A MESSAGE CAME BACK
THAT THEY COULD NOT PROCESS MY CREDIT CARD ,BUT WHEN I CHECKED
MY BANK ACCOUNT 2 DAYS LATER THEY HAD DEBITED MY ACCOUNT
FOR $197 DO ANY BODY HAVE THERE CUSTORMER SERVICE PHONE
NUMBER PLEASE RESPOND BURRUSROY@GMAIL.COM THANK YOU
IF IT’S TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE THEN IT’S A SCAM !
REPORT ALL SCAMS TO FEDERAL POLICE, FBI, CASES, ETC.
For Steve Wood:
You mentioned you had found something that was working. Would you mind sharing what it is and if there is a website ?
Thanks and have a great day !
I don’t know why six figure cash machine bothered to post here saying they want to take care of thier customers. I have emailed and phoned several time with no response.
Customer service is our number one priority here at Six Figure Cash Machine, and we try to respond to every inquiry we get promptly. If you are unsatisfied with our product please contact us via e-mail at support@sfcmsupport.com or by phone at 1 (888) 383-2370. We look forward to working with you to resolve this issue.
Thanks,
Six Figure Cash Machine
Just wanted to give an update… Anyway, after getting the run-around with people for several days. I checked my bank account again and found the main # for IMC’s parent company, which was listed in my bank account where they show the date the $ was taken, the amount, etc. I called the main number, got transferred a couple times, then finally got the parent company’s customer service who said they were going to issue my refund. The next day I received an email confirming that they would be issuing a refund for the $197.00 along with the $97.02 for the most recent pkg they charged my account for. I waited for 4-5 days and finally there it was… a refund was made into my account. Keep in mind that IMC (not the parent company) continued to send me emails stating that I needed to do certain things in order to request my refund (fill out forms, answer questions, etc)- trying to discourage me from trying to get it. I guess the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing in this large company – – all good for me though, because I ignored the emails from IMC and still got my refund.
MP
I just found out that this site was a scam, I to will be reporting to a refund from esellerate.net,
but being a retired federal officer it my duty to take it a step further and report this to the FBI for further investigation. I have also recieved a few new e-mails with simuliar claims as IMC and I’ll be including them in my report as well for them to check out.
These kind of scams fall under consumer fraud and being that its over the internet its also wire fraud. a Crimminal offience. Will keep you posted.
Dear MP the number is 1-800-216-7461
I have fallen victim to the IMC Entourage too. Sent back all my products – even though the guarantee said all I had to do is call and no questions asked, I’d be refunded my money on the spot by Lisa. I received an email that says I can’t get a refund for that reason. Does anyone have their phone number? I can’t locate a number on any of the documents I have. (Not that I’d expect anyone to really answer it – but I need to try). My next step is to contact my cc company and then the FBI if I don’t get results.
Lol 20/20 did a review of proccessing rebates at home! They couldn’t make it work at all or get a refund. It’s too bad that these companies are allowed to continue opporating and scamming people out of their money. I finally found something that is working for me. I’m not making a fortune, but it is fun and I am almost about to be able to quit my job. That’ll be nice!
You’d think Ihad learned from NGC SCam, but I tried IMC Entourage I’ve called their number and they don’t answer Ikeep emailing but I don’t recweive an answer.
Your Comments Ipaid 200.00 to Jimbo walters (IMCENTOURAGE) for them to make me a website. supposedly nothing else to buy .Then I find out he wants 97.00 amonth to be a member. when I didnt have another 97.00 for him to charge on my card, I get an email saying they gave my spot to Bob in Florida. I just want my money back or my money making website. Can anyone suggest anything. thanks.
If anyone has any suggestions on how to get a refund from Data direct jobs.com That would be great! The webpage doesn’t work and the download doesn’t work. when I made the purchase the order confirmation through SWREG digital river. I had sent 4 emails no answers to any of them and now I cannot sign in my user name and password doesn’t work! I know it was only for $37.00 but do you know how much money they make doing this when none of there sites work or have been deleted!! What a rip off! Thanks for your time everyone!
I signed up with the IMC Entourage early in April, 2009. they charged my bank account $95,oo April 5, sent me a package which was supposed to have all the information to set up my business. The trouble is, the CDs have information on the that is so faint and blurred, it can’t be read. So far, I haven’t had any luck getting a refund from Jim Walters. Any suggestions ? smithgene27@yahoo.com
I have several e-mail accounts and Jennifer Baxter has found them all. STAY AWAY from anything with the word JENNIFER in it. DELETE DELETE and report as SPAM!!!
Joe, sorry I was not clear as to what I mean. At the top of this page you have posted success stories from people who gat thier money back. Those are the ones that I can not find a date for. I am new to this site so maybe I do not know where to look.